Dallas Jenkins, creator and director of The Chosen, sits down with Jeremy Boreing one week after stepping off the set for the final time — 528 days of production over eight years. The two friends first met in Los Angeles more than a decade ago, before The Chosen or The Daily Wire existed. Now they talk about failure, surrender, ambition, and what it really costs to make art for an audience of millions.

Before The Chosen became a global phenomenon, Dallas Jenkins was a director who didn't want to be called a "Christian filmmaker." He tells the story of The Resurrection of Gavin Stone—a film backed by Blumhouse and WWE Studios that tested well and then bombed on opening weekend—and the night that changed everything: a reading of the feeding of the 5,000, a 15-page memo written until 4 a.m., and a Facebook message from a near-stranger in Romania: "Your job is not to feed the 5,000. It's only to provide the loaves and fish." That line became the name of his company, 5&2 Studios, and the foundation for everything that followed.

Dallas walks through the unlikely origin of The Chosen: a short film shot behind a barn in Illinois, a crowdfunding campaign he expected to fail, a first season made on a fraction of a typical TV budget, and the COVID-era decision to give the show away for free—a choice he says multiplied support overnight and keeps The Chosen free to watch around the world.